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Cybelos Kingdom request

Post by Hellas on Sat Dec 05, 2015 8:16 am

I, Lord Alexander Caernwell do herein declare myself King Alexander, First of his name, with the blessings of the majority of the houses of Cybelos, and hopefully, God willing, the Papacy.


I have had this declaration written and sent to the Archbasilica in Rome with the hope that his holiness, Pope Leo, and their graces, the Cardinals recognise the righteous intentions of this tentative Kingdom.

Humbly Yours,
Lord Alexander Caernwell
-Conquerer of the Isles & Unifier of the Realm
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Re: Cybelos Kingdom request

Post by Varasd on Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:53 am

Greetings, Lord Alexander Caernwell.

Your request for a kingdom has been noted. Now, the College of Cardinals shall come together to discuss and vote about this matter.
The discussion period shall last for one week.

I hereby request every Cardinal to voice their opinion.
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Post by Crusader on Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:29 pm

Your Holiness,

The Crusading States votes against the motion; their realm is neither holy, nor large enough to justify the advancement in rank.

Bishop-Knight Laurence.
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Post by Saudi Babylonia on Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:32 pm

The Kingdom of Saudi Babylonia, recognising King Alexander's authority and the Kingdom of Cybelos' status, as dictated by our lawful Cardinal and national representative in the Catholic Church: Ulam-khala, hereby votes in favour of this formal acknowledgement on behalf of the Church and College of Cardinals.

Cardinal Ulam-khala has announced he is undecided on this proposition as of now is willing to adjust his position based on the impending discussion.
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Post by Ebsotz on Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:20 am

Cardinal Johannes is against this proposal. It is not that we are against your papacy, your Holiness. It is just that we need more time. Pope Leo VII has JUST taken papacy. Give him more time, and I am fully for your proposal.

Thank you.
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Post by Hellas on Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:47 am

Ebsotz wrote:Cardinal Johannes is against this proposal. It is not that we are against your papacy, your Holiness. It is just that we need more time. Pope Leo VII has JUST taken papacy. Give him more time, and I am fully for your proposal.

Thank you.

OOC: Am I reading this wrong? I'm not looking to become the pope, I'm just looking to be recognized as a kingdom.
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Re: Cybelos Kingdom request

Post by Uili Fianna on Thu Dec 17, 2015 3:08 am

AGAINST

"Be you Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, a follower of any religon, or none at all, if you come to trade with our cities, you are welcome." - Lord of Cybelos

His Emminence Cardinal Léxonnois was more conservative than some of his colleagues, but in a true Béziquienne faction he was more practically conservative than dogmatic conservative. Bézique was a land which maintained its power through manipulation not through the strictest adherence, but on matters of faith they utilized their piety like a sword.

"We cannot bestow the title of Kingdom upon a state who so gladly allows the practice of the devil worship of Judaism and Islam, an affront against G-d. The Papacy should not endorse this, but punish the sheep who wander away from the shepherds path."


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Re: Cybelos Kingdom request

Post by House of Judah on Thu Dec 17, 2015 5:41 am

"Brother, I would caution you to show far more discretion with your words. I will certainly keep them in council, but I remind you that Christians are in the lands of the House of Judah by the sufferance of my liege, Yitzchak. He has shown mercy and certainly worships no Devil. And more, he listens when I speak. That is a very powerful aid in my efforts in the Holy Land. And you may yet rob me of it if ever he learns of your words.

"Your liege is far in the west, surrounded on all sides by Christian lords of reliable faith who service Rome. You can afford these belliscistic words.  Things are far different in other realms.  Muslim merchants carry much trade throughout Mediterranean, even in the south of Francia, and Mohammedan lords rule throughout the Holy Lands.  At the same time, there are whispers of Christian lords chafing under edicts from Rome.  They would seek guidance from other Patriarchs of our faith, in Constantinople, in Antioch, in Alexandria and indeed from myself in Jerusalem.  Now I turn them to Rome, but even men of God may be tempted by such callings.

"Let us consider another path.  Bind the Lord of Cybelos to Rome by holy grant of the title King.  And when the Jew and the Moslem arrives at his docks, let them be greeted by men of God.  Let them see our love for our Lord and Savior, our obedience to his commandment to welcome the stranger and how our God rewards us for our devotion.  Let them see it and carry word of it home with them."
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Re: Cybelos Kingdom request

Post by Ebsotz on Sun Dec 20, 2015 2:44 am

Cybelos wrote:
Ebsotz wrote:Cardinal Johannes is against this proposal. It is not that we are against your papacy, your Holiness. It is just that we need more time. Pope Leo VII has JUST taken papacy. Give him more time, and I am fully for your proposal.

Thank you.

OOC: Am I reading this wrong? I'm not looking to become the pope, I'm just looking to be recognized as a kingdom.
OOC: Oh heavens! What have I done? I must have read this wrong. Apologies!

As for the proposal, I am still pending.

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Re: Cybelos Kingdom request

Post by Varasd on Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:34 pm

By God's grace, the pope shall approve the claim for the Kingdom, under these terms:

The King of Cybelos shall cede his right of investiture to the Pope.
The King of Cybelos shall allow the monasteries and bishops of his Kingdom to pay their support towards thw church directly.
No heathens shall gain rank of nobility or knighthood in the Kingdom of Cybelos.

Under these terms, the Papacy shall support the claim for a Crown.
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Re: Cybelos Kingdom request

Post by Hellas on Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:11 pm

We will accept this offer once we know the full extent of our forfeit of investiture.

Will the king have to send a formal request to Rome for every appointment he makes or is this limited to future coronations?

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Post by Varasd on Mon Dec 21, 2015 10:15 pm

Papal investiture would mean that the King must send a list of his choices for who will be the future bishop of his realm, and the Pope must select from the nominants.
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Re: Cybelos Kingdom request

Post by Hellas on Mon Dec 21, 2015 10:57 pm

Very well, we graciously accept the papacy's offer for a crown.

King Alexander, Lord of the Aegean has told me to inform his Excellency that ships have be dispatched to Rome and will be in the waters of the Tyrrhenian by the time this letter reaches you.

These ships contain gifts of gold as well as paintings and sculptures by the masters of the ancient world and many wonderful works from the modern ages intended for your Excellency.

Farewell,
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Re: Cybelos Kingdom request

Post by Varasd on Wed Dec 23, 2015 10:54 pm

The one week period for the Holy See to discuss the Kingdom request of Cybelos is over.

Those, who voted in favour:
Pope Leo VII (2 votes)
Cardinal Daniel (of Judah)
Cardinal Lysander (of Cybelos)  

Those, who voted against:
Cardinal Laurence (of the Crusading States)
Cardinal Luq Léxonnois (of Bezique)

Those, who did not vote:
Cardinal Johannes (of Ebsotz)
Cardinal Ulam-khala (of Babylon)

Overall, there are four votes in favour, two, who did not vote and two votes against. Therefore, the final verdict is:

With 2:1 rate of in favour and against votes, the Cybelos Kingdom Request has passed.

Let it be known that the ruler of Cybelos, Alexander, Lord of the Aegean, shall be from now on Alexander I, King of the Aegean, King of Cybelos. A royal crown has been granted for his dynasty, as long as they remain loyal to God and God's only true Church, and he shall keep the heathens away from corrupting his kingdom. Let the world rejoice! Amen!
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